Hello! If you’re noticing you have an after meal spike at breakfast (not a bad one going up to 180 at most) then declining but not back to where you started the meal (so for example this morning I was 93 before breakfast and at the 3 hour mark I’m at 157) would this be indicative that I need a stronger IC? This has happened 3 days in a row now, so I’m going to try 1:8 tomorrow instead of 1:9 but first wanted to ask others if they thought basal could be at play too.
Hi @Tee25 you can’t get good I:c if your basal rates are off. The way you tell is by skipping a meal and seeing if your blood sugar is rising or falling during that time. I always try to check basal first. If your basal was good, then what you are saying seems right and you could adjust your I:c for more meal time insulin if you feel comfortable changing that setting. Of course, morning is the hardest one in my opinion. Good luck.
Taylor @Tee25 , generally I’d agree fully with @Jioe that basal check and adjustment comes before I:C change. But knowing that you have recently worked hard at validating your basal, I suggest that your U:C might be your current choice. BUT, rather than dropping from 1 to 8 to 1 to 7, you may want to try 1 to 7.5 and see what happens.
One other factor that comes to mind, is the weather is cooling and cooler temperatures often require more insulin; so it is possible that both basal and bolus might need adjustment.
My body is less sensitive to insulin in the early morning. I use a 1:7 ratio for bolusing at that time of day. I use a 1:10 ratio the rest of the day until late evening when I use a 1:15 ratio.
My personal experience/way to deal w/ fluctuations is to monitor basal from before bed - around 11:30 - through next morning - around 10:00. If my levels are stable, then I take this as a good indication that basal is correct. Keep in mind I do MDI, so by “monitor” I mean, if my bs is good before bed (generally 90-120 is good, relative to when I last took insulin), and I’m not low overnight, and if the next mid-morning, before eating anything, my bs is around 100, then my basal is good, so fluctations are probably due instead to bolus.
At the same time, sometimes I might go to bed good, but end up high in morn., and this could be b/c I didn’t take enough bolus for dinner. This may be the case even though I eat at 6:30 and don’t eat anything for the five hours before bed. In this situation, if it happend just one or two days, I assume it’s a bolus amount issue. However, if I persistently am high in the morn. (i.e. three days in a row), I then assume it’s basal (I do a split w/ Lantus, usally 8 in morn., 1 at night. 1 unit is usually enough to tamp down dawn phenomenon for me. If high in morn. for 3 days in a row, I then do either 9 in morn. or 2 before bed, something like that).
I’ve found that even waiting five or six hours between meals may still not necessarily indicate whether it’s bolus or basal that is the issue, b/c my bs can go up that long after eating simply b/c I didn’t take enough bolus insulin (I always split my boluses too, for this reason, to prevent going low in the short-term and then high several hrs. later).
Anyway, it’s tricky. I too would suggest tweaking carb ratio first, see what happens, then tweak basal if bs seems to still continuously trend upward. Hope that helps.
Thanks all! I think it’s a basal issue again so going to do some good old fashion basal testing again. Diabetes is never dull
Sorry another question on basal that I’m noticing. It seems to be okay during actual meals. But if I got 5-6 hours without eating, I notice I start to climb. Sometimes slow where I wouldn’t say it makes that big of a difference because I’ll be at 99 for a bit and then 120 at hour 6, but sometimes it’s more aggressive. Like yesterday at about 5 hours I was 136 after being 98 at the 4 hour mark and then noticed I was continuing to go up so I took a small correction since I knew I would be taking my dinner bolus in a bit anyway. Is it possible that I need less aggressive ICs then and actually more basal? But the other thing I’m unsure of is since I usually eat at 4-5 hour mark and I’m obviously at a decent starting point there, should I just leave it alone? Sorry for the random question but I’m at least starting to see a pattern so that helps!
that’s my guess. but it is important to note the time. the best part of pumping is the ability to increase/decrease basal at the time it is appropriate.
btw, 99- 120 isnt a trend (not truly significant one you consider meter error) but 98 to 136 (IMO) is, even if it is just a little bit. for the period observed, you start about 1 hour before you noticed the trend and adjust basal. basal changes, especially small ones, can take 3 weeks to see a difference in some people. if you make a change… leave it be for at least a week before retesting, if you get into the habit of “its not working, I need more” you may end up “chasing your own tail”
Thank you! That’s also helpful